When would you consider a Mk5 GTI past it's prime???

[mcblfc88]

1 series coupe (E82) is actually less than 12 year old design, but as with all cars uses parts from previous generation model as current gen models use E82 parts. Also N55 engine, or a slightly tweaked over the years variant of it was used until 2018 in the M2, and 2016(?) in the Mx35i's.

My car also has DCT 7 speed gearbox as used still (or a very close relative of) in the M2 competition now.

Didn't realise people would get so sensitive over a mk4 which lets face it is in a close race with the mk3 as undisputed worst golf gti ever? or does everyone want to disagree with that aswell?

[pudding]

Hardly 'people' is it.  It was only me who called you out on your silly statement.  A post 2000 car isn't dated.   Visually not to your taste perhaps, but far from dated as a vehicle. 

Yes the MK3 is dated, as is the MK2 and MK1.  Old 80s engines in body shells that rust easily.  The MK4 Golf was fully galvanised, one of the earliest adopters of DBW throttles and the 5V turbo engine is still highly regarded to this day, as is the 24V V6 fitted to the 4Motion and R32.

Yep, the MK3 and MK4 GTI were terrible dynamically.  The result of VW's marketing and accounting departments losing the plot.  Easily fixed with stiffer suspension.

[mcblfc88]

Hardly 'people' is it.  It was only me who called you out on your silly statement.  A post 2000 car isn't dated.   Visually not to your taste perhaps, but far from dated as a vehicle. 

Yes the MK3 is dated, as is the MK2 and MK1.  Old 80s engines in body shells that rust easily.  The MK4 Golf was fully galvanised, one of the earliest adopters of DBW throttles and the 5V turbo engine is still highly regarded to this day, as is the 24V V6 fitted to the 4Motion and R32.

Yep, the MK3 and MK4 GTI were terrible dynamically.  The result of VW's marketing and accounting departments losing the plot.  Easily fixed with stiffer suspension.

I will reiterate once more i was purely saying a standard mk4 gti does now look by anyone's tastes a 20 year old car, where as the mk5 gti at 15 years old potentially looks, purely aesthetically, light years ahead

Hard to believe in terms of styling the gti moved on so far in 1 generation change

[pudding]

The MK5 was a ground-up redesign.  It had to be because of the independent rear suspension.  I guess VW's designers took the opportunity to improve the looks whilst they're were at it.  The MK6 and MK7 are still virtually the same under the skin, well, worse actually in some areas.  The only significant change is the EA888 engine.