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Re: Fifth Gear - Golf R vs Leon Cupra R ON NOW!!!!
« Reply #30 on: August 06, 2010, 12:04:07 pm »
The Rocco R was only 7 or 8 seconds slower a lap around the Ring too, that 4WD isn't buying you much advantage at all...

I know people bang on about wanting 4WD, but unless you're getting proper 4WD a-la EVO/Scooby then you're just lugging a load of weight around so you have an advantage in the wet. Who drives fast in the rain?

Proper diff and it'd kill it.
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Re: Fifth Gear - Golf R vs Leon Cupra R ON NOW!!!!
« Reply #31 on: August 06, 2010, 12:12:21 pm »
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I think there's no doubt that the XDS helps but it certainly doesn't feel either as direct or as strong as a mechanical diff such as the Quaife. I can see that a system like XDS will better suit a manufacturer as it will doubtless be far cheaper to include on a mass scale. This why we have to mod cars though - OEM is mostly a compromise to suit a mass market across many territories and many people who don't much love driving.
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Re: Fifth Gear - Golf R vs Leon Cupra R ON NOW!!!!
« Reply #32 on: August 06, 2010, 12:43:02 pm »
Golf R 2WD with a diff - Hmm, maybe that will be the Edition 35  :happy2:
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Re: Fifth Gear - Golf R vs Leon Cupra R ON NOW!!!!
« Reply #33 on: August 06, 2010, 01:32:38 pm »
You're dead on right, Robin, mass market appeal.

A Renaultsport Megane or a Focus RS has a very niche market, the likes of GTIs and Cupras are bought by everyone from petrolheads to vicars to school-run mums and everyone in between... so they can't afford to be seen to sell a car with compromised driveability (in non-enthusiast eyes), hence them making them understeery too.

All about safety, refinement, middle ground and winning yet another "Best allrounder hot hatch" award.
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Re: Fifth Gear - Golf R vs Leon Cupra R ON NOW!!!!
« Reply #34 on: August 06, 2010, 02:15:23 pm »
^^^^
As the T-shirt says:



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Re: Fifth Gear - Golf R vs Leon Cupra R ON NOW!!!!
« Reply #35 on: August 06, 2010, 05:00:18 pm »
Quote from: tony_danza on August 06, 2010, 01:32:38 pm
You're dead on right, Robin, mass market appeal.

A Renaultsport Megane or a Focus RS has a very niche market, the likes of GTIs and Cupras are bought by everyone from petrolheads to vicars to school-run mums and everyone in between... so they can't afford to be seen to sell a car with compromised driveability (in non-enthusiast eyes), hence them making them understeery too.

All about safety, refinement, middle ground and winning yet another "Best allrounder hot hatch" award.
to be fair the golf has always been like that, thats what a hot hatch is really, everyday car, think the others just have to do it bit more hardcore to tempt a few, as renaultsport, ford, honda etc could not make an allrounder as good as the golf.
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Re: Fifth Gear - Golf R vs Leon Cupra R ON NOW!!!!
« Reply #36 on: August 06, 2010, 05:01:23 pm »
Quote from: jhtrophy on August 06, 2010, 05:00:18 pm
Quote from: tony_danza on August 06, 2010, 01:32:38 pm
You're dead on right, Robin, mass market appeal.

A Renaultsport Megane or a Focus RS has a very niche market, the likes of GTIs and Cupras are bought by everyone from petrolheads to vicars to school-run mums and everyone in between... so they can't afford to be seen to sell a car with compromised driveability (in non-enthusiast eyes), hence them making them understeery too.

All about safety, refinement, middle ground and winning yet another "Best allrounder hot hatch" award.
to be fair the golf has always been like that, thats what a hot hatch is really, everyday car, think the others just have to do it bit more hardcore to tempt a few, as renaultsport, ford, honda etc could not make an allrounder as good as the golf.

so when you getting a golf?  :confused: :P
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Re: Fifth Gear - Golf R vs Leon Cupra R ON NOW!!!!
« Reply #37 on: August 06, 2010, 05:53:52 pm »
i got a golf for kids :smiley: dont want my car to be a perfect all rounder, i like fun :P
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Re: Fifth Gear - Golf R vs Leon Cupra R ON NOW!!!!
« Reply #38 on: August 06, 2010, 06:15:13 pm »
Fun i guess is glueing it back together when it falls apart later. :laugh:

The golf is fun aswell, just glued slightly better  :grin:

But in watching that R try and negoiate a corner with its 4WD system, it was still understeering quite badly at times. Adds to why its not a good as its price dictates. :stupid:
« Last Edit: August 06, 2010, 06:19:06 pm by Saint Steve »
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Re: Fifth Gear - Golf R vs Leon Cupra R ON NOW!!!!
« Reply #39 on: August 06, 2010, 06:27:13 pm »
Fwd and a diff works great  :driver:
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Re: Fifth Gear - Golf R vs Leon Cupra R ON NOW!!!!
« Reply #40 on: August 06, 2010, 07:47:17 pm »
Quote from: Saint Steve on August 06, 2010, 06:15:13 pm
Fun i guess is glueing it back together when it falls apart later. :laugh:

The golf is fun aswell, just glued slightly better  :grin:
thats a new one :signLOL: as i have said  its the best everyday car, but for fun, no its not the best (stock), as for the r, its a safe fast family car, and im sure a good one, as for the price, vw know people do not want to pay for the ever increasing car taxation, so lets nick a few potentiel S4,330 buyers.
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Re: Fifth Gear - Golf R vs Leon Cupra R ON NOW!!!!
« Reply #41 on: August 07, 2010, 04:31:48 pm »
Im such a geek i noticed some of the interior close ups of the golf were not even of a golf R  :rolleye:
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Re: Fifth Gear - Golf R vs Leon Cupra R ON NOW!!!!
« Reply #42 on: August 07, 2010, 04:52:58 pm »
Quote from: Snoopy on August 07, 2010, 04:31:48 pm

Im such a geek i noticed some of the interior close ups of the golf were not even of a golf R  :rolleye:


....You've always had a fine eye for detail, Geoff....     You Geek! you!! :laugh:

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Re: Fifth Gear - Golf R vs Leon Cupra R ON NOW!!!!
« Reply #43 on: August 07, 2010, 07:24:38 pm »
The R looked sloppy, even though the Seat is 5 grand cheaper its still really expensive and would hold out for the Anniversary of the Golf.


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Re: Fifth Gear - Golf R vs Leon Cupra R ON NOW!!!!
« Reply #44 on: August 07, 2010, 10:27:41 pm »
Quote from: RedRobin on August 07, 2010, 04:52:58 pm
....You've always had a fine eye for detail, Geoff....     You Geek! you!! :laugh:

Good to see you here occasionally  :drinking:
Im often about reading  :happy2:
The 5th gear video at 1min10 just after he changes gear. The dash changes and the steeringwheel has no buttons. Then later on the R has red instrument needles.  :laugh:
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