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Re: ed30, same engine internals as Normal gti
« Reply #15 on: February 04, 2009, 10:08:05 pm »
This has been thrashed out to bits :-

Edition 30 is same as S3 engine bar exhaust and intercooler.

The Edition 30 has lower compression pistons, forged rods, strengthned crank, K04, stronger block, higher flow injectors, different head, bigger map sensor, relocated dv...........

The ED30 and GTI are VASTLY DIFFERENT.

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Re: ed30, same engine internals as Normal gti
« Reply #16 on: February 04, 2009, 10:27:50 pm »
Quote from: Top Cat on February 04, 2009, 09:26:06 pm
I cant remember TT ever saying the GTI and the ED 30 had the same engine most of the duals have been whether the ED 30 is the same as the S3 lump.  :driver:
If we dont know there is not much point in speculating.
everybody hide under the blanket and i will go and ask him to post on the subject.  :laugh: :laugh:  :confused:

Very true, I'm tired, it's been a long day LOL
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Re: ed30, same engine internals as Normal gti
« Reply #17 on: February 04, 2009, 10:34:05 pm »
Quote from: garethmk1 on February 04, 2009, 10:08:05 pm
This has been thrashed out to bits :-

Edition 30 is same as S3 engine bar exhaust and intercooler.

The Edition 30 has lower compression pistons, forged rods, strengthned crank, K04, stronger block, higher flow injectors, different head, bigger map sensor, relocated dv...........

The ED30 and GTI are VASTLY DIFFERENT.

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well thats that  :laugh:
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Re: ed30, same engine internals as Normal gti
« Reply #18 on: February 04, 2009, 10:35:35 pm »
cool, you got internet on your boat? :laugh:
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Re: ed30, same engine internals as Normal gti
« Reply #19 on: February 04, 2009, 10:46:16 pm »
Great! As I thought. So my original question stands: Would the KO3 GTI be able to handle 310-360bhp.
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Re: ed30, same engine internals as Normal gti
« Reply #20 on: February 04, 2009, 10:51:33 pm »
gareth,  TT has always maintained
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Different technical specifications to pistons, cylinder heads and camshafts.
between S3 and Ed30/Cupra et al.......

Remapping doesnt always appear to give the same results either!
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Re: ed30, same engine internals as Normal gti
« Reply #21 on: February 04, 2009, 11:03:12 pm »
Quote from: matt a on February 04, 2009, 10:46:16 pm
Great! As I thought. So my original question stands: Would the KO3 GTI be able to handle 310-360bhp.

general opinion from the tuners is the regular GTi internals are good for 330-340ish
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Re: ed30, same engine internals as Normal gti
« Reply #22 on: February 04, 2009, 11:51:39 pm »
Quote from: john_o on February 04, 2009, 10:51:33 pm
gareth,  TT has always maintained
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Different technical specifications to pistons, cylinder heads and camshafts.
between S3 and Ed30/Cupra et al.......

Remapping doesnt always appear to give the same results either!

From the problems I'm experiencing with my remap, and numerous discussions, conversations etc etc - it seems that the differences in output are down to the exhaust downpipe varience between the motors.  I know the S3 and ED30 motors have different downpipes, not sure about the Cupra - I'll check part numbers on etka.

Regards,

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Re: ed30, same engine internals as Normal gti
« Reply #23 on: February 04, 2009, 11:54:30 pm »
Quote from: gazbutmk5gti on February 04, 2009, 11:03:12 pm
Quote from: matt a on February 04, 2009, 10:46:16 pm
Great! As I thought. So my original question stands: Would the KO3 GTI be able to handle 310-360bhp.

general opinion from the tuners is the regular GTi internals are good for 330-340ish

APR, VF etc etc all tune ther stage 3 type kits for the 200hp 2.0T FSI cars to around the 375BHP mark as this is seen to be a safe power level for the standard internals. By safe, they feel its super safe! Hence why they would tune the cars to that level.. They could get a lot more pretty easily, and the engine would take it. But not for long..

The reason as far as I can tell for the bent rods with K04 turbo's in the US have both been bad tuning, I have a PM from one of the guys saying that both failures were down to massive amounts of advanced ignition, huge heat, pinking etc etc..

Both of those cars were on 'custom' engine maps..

Honestly, K04 on a K03 engine is safe, and Im not just saying that because I have one for sale..

Jonny
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Re: ed30, same engine internals as Normal gti
« Reply #24 on: February 05, 2009, 12:00:16 am »
Quote from: jonnyc on February 04, 2009, 11:54:30 pm
Quote from: gazbutmk5gti on February 04, 2009, 11:03:12 pm
Quote from: matt a on February 04, 2009, 10:46:16 pm
Great! As I thought. So my original question stands: Would the KO3 GTI be able to handle 310-360bhp.

general opinion from the tuners is the regular GTi internals are good for 330-340ish

APR, VF etc etc all tune ther stage 3 type kits for the 200hp 2.0T FSI cars to around the 375BHP mark as this is seen to be a safe power level for the standard internals. By safe, they feel its super safe! Hence why they would tune the cars to that level.. They could get a lot more pretty easily, and the engine would take it. But not for long..

The reason as far as I can tell for the bent rods with K04 turbo's in the US have both been bad tuning, I have a PM from one of the guys saying that both failures were down to massive amounts of advanced ignition, huge heat, pinking etc etc..

Both of those cars were on 'custom' engine maps..

Honestly, K04 on a K03 engine is safe, and Im not just saying that because I have one for sale..

Jonny

That's good to know Jonny....and reassuring too. :happy2:
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Re: ed30, same engine internals as Normal gti
« Reply #25 on: February 05, 2009, 12:03:58 am »
Quote from: Hurdy on February 05, 2009, 12:00:16 am
Quote from: jonnyc on February 04, 2009, 11:54:30 pm
Quote from: gazbutmk5gti on February 04, 2009, 11:03:12 pm
Quote from: matt a on February 04, 2009, 10:46:16 pm
Great! As I thought. So my original question stands: Would the KO3 GTI be able to handle 310-360bhp.

general opinion from the tuners is the regular GTi internals are good for 330-340ish

APR, VF etc etc all tune ther stage 3 type kits for the 200hp 2.0T FSI cars to around the 375BHP mark as this is seen to be a safe power level for the standard internals. By safe, they feel its super safe! Hence why they would tune the cars to that level.. They could get a lot more pretty easily, and the engine would take it. But not for long..

The reason as far as I can tell for the bent rods with K04 turbo's in the US have both been bad tuning, I have a PM from one of the guys saying that both failures were down to massive amounts of advanced ignition, huge heat, pinking etc etc..

Both of those cars were on 'custom' engine maps..

Honestly, K04 on a K03 engine is safe, and Im not just saying that because I have one for sale..

Jonny

That's good to know Jonny....and reassuring too. :happy2:

Also, forgot to mention. (I have in the for sale ad)

Revo have there demo TT running an Edition 30 K04 turbo set up, thats a demo car, being ran to the max on a daily basis, not only is it extremely fast, but also has ran with no problems what so ever.

Revo offer the stage 3 software for K04 conversions on 200hp 2.0T FSI engines.. Its a simple yet massively effective mod for the 200hp cars!

Jonny
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Re: ed30, same engine internals as Normal gti
« Reply #26 on: February 05, 2009, 07:41:40 am »
Quote from: stealthwolf on February 04, 2009, 09:01:07 pm
Quote from: Phil Mcavity on February 04, 2009, 08:15:11 pm
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Re: ed30, same engine internals as Normal gti
« Reply #27 on: February 05, 2009, 07:59:08 am »
Quote from: Phil Mcavity on February 04, 2009, 08:10:13 pm
Quote from: 182_blue on February 04, 2009, 08:09:18 pm
Quote from: matt a on February 04, 2009, 08:08:30 pm
I presume the internals of the KO3 powered GTIs will be able to handle the 310-360bhp?



TT says there the same  :happy2:
Does that mean he's right though? :scared: :scared:

....He's recently totally blown his credibility with his rantings as far as I'm concerned!

But we are all entitled to our opinions :smiley:

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Re: ed30, same engine internals as Normal gti
« Reply #28 on: February 05, 2009, 09:45:06 am »
glad that's all cleared up, I was genuinely interested as to whether the KO3 GTI's internals would cope, as I know the differences between the 2 engines is more than a KO4 and 30bhp.
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Re: ed30, same engine internals as Normal gti
« Reply #29 on: February 05, 2009, 09:53:24 am »
Does the ED30 have the same fuel pump as a normal GTI?

I experience falling fuel pressure when I put the boost up on my Revo, as the OEM fuel pump can't cope.

But I don't recall hearing that ED30's experience the same issues????

Thanks in advance,
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