P0441 EVAP Emission Control Sys: Incorrect Flow

[Norbreck21a]

Hi guys wonder if you can help.

A friend of mine has a 55 plate GTI, and has got an MIL light on the dash. I've done a quick scan for him, and it's come up with the following:

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Address 01: Engine        Labels: 06F-907-115-AXX.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 115     HW: 1K0 907 115
   Component: 2.0l R4/4V TFSI  00 0070  
   Revision: --H01---    Serial number: VWZ7Z0E2836315
   Coding: 0403000318070060
   Shop #: WSC 00150 210 71522
   VCID: E3E31C895B27

1 Fault Found:
001089 - EVAP Emission Control Sys: Incorrect Flow
               P0441 - 002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent - MIL ON
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 10100010
                    Fault Priority: 0
                    Fault Frequency: 26
                    Mileage: 106462 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2000.00.00
                    Time: 17:05:16

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 761 /min
                    Load: 16.1 %
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Temperature: 84.0°C
                    Temperature: 10.0°C
                    Absolute Pres.: 1000.0 mbar
                    Voltage: 14.478 V

Readiness: 0000 0000

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Looking at Ross Techs webiste, it appears it could be to do with the following:

Possible Causes

    * Evaporative Emission (EVAP) Canister Purge Regulator Valve (N80) faulty/jammed
    * Evaporative Emission (EVAP) Canister Purge Solenoid Valve (N115) faulty/jammed
    * Evaporative Emission (EVAP) Canister Sealing faulty
    * Pipes between Tank Breathing and Throttle Body leaky/blocked

Questions are:

1) Is this a cheap or expensive fix ?
2) Is the car still drivable until the problem is sorted without further damage ?
3) Does anyone know of a good indi that could sort this in the Warrington or Cheshire area for him.

Sorry, but as I own a soot chucker, I'm neither use or ornament to him on this ?

Cheers

Andrew

[vRS Carl]

Have a look at the Charcoal Cannister.

On the top there is a pipe that runs to just below the coolant bottle. Check this pipe. I used to get that and found that i had a snapped pipe. I also fixed someone elses car who had this recently (although his was a loose fitting one)

I haven't got ETKA handy till later but i will post up the part no.s for the pipe on it's own and the charcoal cannister complete.

The pipe is about £9 from a dealer and the Cannister complete (including the pipe) is about £90

I will post pics up of the pipe from mine later. But that would be the first place i would check. I've seen a few cars with this and it's always been that pipe.

Tell your mate not to brim the tank when refuelling as i think this is what causes the problem. I have stopped Brimming mine and the problem has not re-occured in the last 10k miles (this is just my opinion as to the cause but was suggested to me by my local dealer)

In either case it doesn't require a trip to the dealers to fix. Anyone with a basic understanding of using a screwdriver/spanner can do it. The pipe is literally a 5 sec swap

[vRS Carl]

This is the pipe





Part no.s are:

Pipe Only - 1K0 201 160 BG Breather Line - £8.50 (approx)

Full Canister - 1K0 201 797 AB Active Charcoal Container - £80.93 (Approx)

I would replace the Pipe first as if it's not that he has only lost £9 rather than waste £80 to find it's something else

[Norbreck21a]

Cheers for that Carl,

I've pointed my friend to this discussion so that he can see for himself.

thanks very much for taking the time though  

Andrew

[182_blue]

My edition 30 used to come up with a EVAP fault, it would clear and not come back for 6 months, never felt anything when it came or went though

[Norbreck21a]

Cheers for the responses guys.

I've just spoken to the owner and he says he's checked the pipe going into the charcoal canister and it seems fine, secured and no breaks or tears.

He says he's purchased a new N80 valve  and pipes from VW for £26 (what ever that is), and will fit that at the weekend and see if it makes any difference ?

[ukdub]

My edition 30 used to come up with a EVAP fault, it would clear and not come back for 6 months, never felt anything when it came or went though

Same with mine for years now.

[martziniuk]

Yeah I got this problem too, it only bring the cel light on when it's really cold. I tried a new N80 but it never worked and have a new charcoal cannister on my back seat to fit sometime. They say brimming the talk causes fuel to leak through to the N80 and charcoal cannister breaking them.
I tried to shake the cannister up once which did keep the code away for a while.

[R32UK]

I just found this fault on mine and nearly always brim the tank. Can anyone confirm that this will stop the fault from occuring.... or should I check for damage anywhere first?

 

[vRS Carl]

I just found this fault on mine and nearly always brim the tank. Can anyone confirm that this will stop the fault from occuring.... or should I check for damage anywhere first?

 

Brimming will stop the fault happening but check the charcoal canister and breather pipe as well.

If you have the fault already, not brimming the tank maybe too late in my experience. 

[Shorty]

I've had a similar fault on mine too, it doesn't help the fact VW snapped the pipe when they did the cambelt, barstewardss. I have glued it up and only had the fault a couple of times since, will order a new pipe tomorrow, cheers!

[R32UK]

I just found this fault on mine and nearly always brim the tank. Can anyone confirm that this will stop the fault from occuring.... or should I check for damage anywhere first?

 

Brimming will stop the fault happening but check the charcoal canister and breather pipe as well.

If you have the fault already, not brimming the tank maybe too late in my experience. 

thanks... I will try clear the fault first and then check the bits you have mentioned 

hopefully they will not be damaged.. problem soved!

[andygo]

I have the same fault on my ED30. Cleared it but it came back immediately.

What would the symptoms be/downside to running with this fault?

I'm off to France in a few hours on holiday so it would be nice to know its not a big deal to run with it. Oh, And I generally top my tank right up as well.

Can I just spray the charcoal with brake cleaner? The pipes look fine by the way.

[Bhish71]

Hi guys just wondering how do you brim the evap charcoal container

[Bhish71]

How do you brim the charcoal container