Autotech vs APR HPFP

[Bernhard30]

Was just wondering what the 'life expectancy' of these APR pumps are? Anyone have a thought.

Running Revo St2+ with autotech 'internals' and all seems fine but was just curious as to whether the APR option is possibly longer lasting than autotech option perhaps may be.

In my head that would be one of the factors for perhaps swapping units.

[Jussa]

That's why I'm asking.
I have the Autotech internals now, but thinking about doing the upgrade to APR purely for longevity as my car is a keeper 

[GarethB]

I'm quite torn on this....

On one hand, you have PDT stating that he's never seen a problem with the autotech internals after many many installs 

On the other, you have tuners, such as JKM who will no longer install the internals and will only fit the full APR pump 

[Jussa]

Exactly, and Awesome GTi were the same.  I turned up there with the internals and they didn't want to fit them!!!
It was only because I drove up all the way from London that they made an exception for me......they even had to call the managing director to get permission to do it 

[56OctyVRS]

It will be more of a case that if a company fits the product for you and it fails.  There is every chance the claim will be made against them for installing them wrongly and then it may cost them big £££s to put right.  With the APR fuel pump.  If that fails it cannot be because it was installed wrongly, as its a bolt off and bolt on product. If you search topics on other forums even the APR pumps have failed and its just luck of the draw.  Some pumps will go miles and miles without problem.  Others wont be as lucky but its a risk you take when modifying cars.

If you are thinking of spending extra money on the APR fuel pump, I would not bother as its wasted money.  If it was only a couple of hunders pounds then fair do's but its a lot more than that.  Id just check the oil every week and if there is no problem, I always go with the old saying 'If it ain't broke.  Dont fix it!' 

[RedRobin]

I'm quite torn on this....

On one hand, you have PDT stating that he's never seen a problem with the autotech internals after many many installs  

On the other, you have tuners, such as JKM who will no longer install the internals and will only fit the full APR pump  

....I have no reason to doubt PDT's advice/opinions because I don't know them. But I know JKM very well indeed and am always inclined to take their advice. So, if I was to ever get an HPFP (highly unlikely as I'm happy at Stage2), it would be an APR.

[ktlstar]

Luck of the draw like someone has said on this thread.

I currently on golfmkv site (usa) and i have seen APR pumps fail just as much as the Autotech ones.

I guess you goto catch it quickly once it goes for both pumps. Its all a risk (engine modifying).

[vRS_Pagey]

I can confirm im Shark Stage 2+ with no CEL.

So Stage 3 then? 

[56OctyVRS]

I can confirm im Shark Stage 2+ with no CEL.

So Stage 3 then? 

Almost.  Sharks Stage 2+ file is a stage 2 file which takes into account an upgraded HPFP being fitted.  Its the max the engine can safely produce with a OE engine cover so in some respects it is a stage 3 with the engine cover fitted. Confused 

[Ledreyer]

As far as I know and experienced in the past the cam follower goes slower on the APR pump...

[muckipup]

....I have no reason to doubt PDT's advice/opinions because I don't know them. But I know JKM very well indeed and am always inclined to take their advice. So, if I was to ever get an HPFP (highly unlikely as I'm happy at Stage2), it would be an APR.

JKM advised me against fitting the Autotech internals but I ignored them. It was a humbling experience limping my car up to their front door and having to leave it there for a few days for the APR pump that they ordered for me to come through  

If you are thinking of spending extra money on the APR fuel pump, I would not bother as its wasted money.   

I guess the viewpoint of wasting money depends where you stand - my £250 Autotech internals and about £80 OEM pump wasn't worth much after that!

In fairness, my Autotech pump lasted fairly well but my map was only requesting stock fuel rail pressure. When I went Revo and got the full 130 bar of rail pressure, the pump lasted only a week or so before blowing the seal in the OEM pump housing. I have been running the APR for 30k miles now without a problem.
Fair do's to those running the Autotech internals and doing OK as I have nothing against it despite my experience - most have been lucky; others like me have not.

[sub39h]

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The war of the HPFP's has been waging for years.

If they were both the same price, which would you buy?

....So, all you guys with Autotechs, would you still have bought it if the APR was the same price?

that's a bit of a silly question. the APR probably is better, i think few would deny that. BUT it's not worth 3x the price. it certainly doesn't reduce your risk of failure to 1/3 of that of the Autotech, and even if it does a tuning company on here reporting fitting 100s of the Autotechs without issue, so if for argument's sake they fitted 200, and 1 of those failed, you're going from a 0.5% chance to a 0.167% chance and tbh i'd take a 0.5% chance if it was gonna cost me £400 more for an APR pump

the APR has a reduced RELATIVE risk of failure, but the ABSOLUTE risk is negligible

[muckipup]

I currently on golfmkv site (usa) and i have seen APR pumps fail just as much as the Autotech ones.

Isn't that more about the cam follower / cam lobe wear issue though?

[Janner_Sy]

The APR pump is grossly expensive, but i guess you get the added safety net of knowing it has been pressure tested before hand.

I guess this is why all the guys who have had the failed Autotech internals (but luckily caught it before anything was damaged) are now running the APR pumps

[martziniuk]

I currently on golfmkv site (usa) and i have seen APR pumps fail just as much as the Autotech ones.

Isn't that more about the cam follower / cam lobe wear issue though?

I think so too. I don't recall reading about any leaking pumps, only the ones that shoot through the cam follower.