More Worrying News - Libya Violence trouble for us !

[Rich]

Well,

I was listening on Radio 4 about the violence in Libya by the leader Gaddafi (who probably will step down) and Mubarak in Egypt (who has now stepped down)

Well, the worrying news is that the new Arab leaders who'll retake power over Gaddafi in Libya AND Mubarak in Egypt are not pro-west which means they are less likely to do deals with the West in regards to Oil (which a vast %tage of our Oil comes from Arab countries)

Obviously this means Oil prices will go up through the roof ...

Thats not the biggest worry.... Egypt and Libya will seek Human Rights to come into Europe like on par with other countries in the European Union and god knows what this will do to Europe especially UK who everyone seems to want to come to.... can't see why       (

What are your thoughts, i would like to hear what others have heard in regards to consequences of the new Arab leaders who are not Pro-West... 

[RedRobin]

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I don't think that the majority of the Arab world is as anti The West as some folks would make out and you'll probably find that it's the Israeli's who like to make everyone think that the Arabs are anti-West. Bottom line: Oil rich Arabs still need to sell their oil.

International diplomacy will sort it out and it was inevitable that the day would come soon for Gaddafi to go. He still thinks he's Goddafi but he's just daft - Mad as a hatter! Potentially very dangerous but his people are deserting him in droves, so it's different from Iraq's Saddam Hussein.

[VC]

Propaganda, like RR says, oil still needs to be sold...

Unless of course there's weapons of mass destruction that need to be found by bombing the sh1t outta them, destroying the infrastructure to allow the USA to grab the oil and Europe to rake it in by rebuilding the country back up 

[cmdrfire]

Propaganda, like RR says, oil still needs to be sold...

Unless of course there's weapons of mass destruction that need to be found by bombing the sh1t outta them, destroying the infrastructure to allow the USA to grab the oil and Europe to rake it in by rebuilding the country back up 

Problem with Iraq that the US found is that it became rather hard to grab the oil with a destroyed infrastructure...


In other news, @ the OP (and this is probably me deliberately trolling, and I know you probably didn't imply this, but hey), thank you for thinking of the oil and supporting brutal dictators suppressing their own people and not the democratic wishes of the oppressed people.

/obvious troll is obvious?

//please feel free to ignore me.

[VC]

^^^ nail head.

[Hedge]

^^^ nail head.

hammer cock! 

[RedRobin]

In other news, @ the OP (and this is probably me deliberately trolling, and I know you probably didn't imply this, but hey), thank you for thinking of the oil and supporting brutal dictators suppressing their own people and not the democratic wishes of the oppressed people.

....I doubt if the OP Rich meant it in a way which is entirely unsympathetic to those people who are oppressed, but I totally agree with you cmdrfire: It's about time that a truer democracy ruled in Libya. Gaddafi has had his day, praise be to God and to Allah. These matters are always complex and oil is the lube.

[RedRobin]

@ cmdrfire:

I forgot to ask you, Neo, whether you got around to seeing "The Promise". Last in the series was last night (Sunday) and it was very powerful indeed - Very well rounded and objective but I couldn't help myself continuing to favour the Palestinians as I do. The Jews have done themselves no favours throughout most of their history. I've never forgiven that family for not allowing me to continue to be the boyfriend of their extremely attractive Jewish daughter just because I wasn't one of them.

[Janner_Sy]

I've never forgiven that family for not allowing me to continue to be the boyfriend of their extremely attractive Jewish daughter just because I wasn't one of them.

it wasnt the religion thing RR, they just heard through the grapevine about you being a deviant in the VAG babes thread 

[RedRobin]

I've never forgiven that family for not allowing me to continue to be the boyfriend of their extremely attractive Jewish daughter just because I wasn't one of them.

it wasnt the religion thing RR, they just heard through the grapevine about you being a deviant in the VAG babes thread 

  

Even though it was over 30 years ago my reputation must have preceded me 

How I wish I knew then what I know now!

[the bruce]

Sad, sad, sad.  

We have to realize that the people in islamic countries don't want
''help'' from western countries. And I'm sure they don't need any
help from us.
They have to do their revolution by themselves. And we should
just watch it and be happy with them.

Furthermore we shouldn't expect a democrathy in a western way.

[VC]

I'd rather not 'watch' thousands of people die, should we turn a blind eye to it then?

People being burned and buried alive?

[Janner_Sy]

but the west cant and will not stay out of it as we rely so much on the middle east for the oil.

Until we have the technology to drill in the deep sea easily, safely and consistently we will have to intervene for our own 'well being' for want of a better phrase.

Its wrong but thats how it is.   There needs to be military action though to remove gaddafi and have him tried for war crimes. I cant see him stepping down, hes an extremist who thinks he is in the right

[the bruce]

I don' want Gaddafi sitting in Den Haag and having an audience for
his ugly propaganda.
His own people will hang him, that's much faster than catching him.

Making war is no solution. I don't want people in libya dieing as well.
But these people don't want us help them - that's the situation.

And don't help somebody who does not want you to help !!


Libya ist another thing than Kosovo where we have waited too long,
of course !!!

[VC]

Bruce you generalise quite alot there, innocence need help of which there are and will be and won't be able to ask for it

'movements' won't need help or ask for it as they have a cause to effect or defend

It's those caught up in the middle that western societies won't allow to become victims of circumstance