Dude, im not disputing its not a quick car. Obviously its got 4wd launch control and dsg which is gonna contribute to quick 0-60 times, he just said he didn't think he could justify paying 40k for something that he didn't think felt as quick as his ed30 stage 2+. I know what he means though because at inters this year i was on the strip against one of the players lads ttrs' , now he was putting down 0-60 times in the 3s i was in the 6s and my first time on the strip. The overall time of his was in the 12s and mine in the 14s, so over the quarter i had clawed probably a sec back. Makes you wonder what mine would have done if i had dsg 4wd and launch.