Goodyear F1 Assymetric 2's-Not feeling the love at the moment!

[rich83]

Im running these at the 2.6 bar(approx 38psi) that the fuel cap says - is the general opinion that this is too high?

....My fuel cap label states 2.6 bar for fully loaded people plus luggage and 2.4 bar for normal. But it will be for its original OEM 2005 Continentals.

Shouldnt really matter about the tyre brand... so long as you fit the same size tyre i.e 225 40 18 then the recommend pressure (for the average user) should be the same.

[bacillus]

I use 38psi all round on my Goodyear F1 Assymetrics...

[Hevoshullu]

Popping up an old thread here but I just wanted to share similar experiences with my Eagle F1 Assy 2's..

So I recently got them fitted in 225/40R18 size at the same time with a B12 Sportline suspension on my mk5 GTI. First impression was that all the sharpness was gone from the steering as was the planted feel my GTI used to have (with Conti CSC3). This made me scratch my head for a while - perhaps there was something wrong the fitting and alignment of my new suspension? I took the car back to the garage where they checked everything and also did a realignment for me. None of this helped.. I'll add that I also tried playing with tyre pressures from 2.5 bar all the way to 3.0 bar. The feeling remained essentially the same except for all comfort being gone at 3.0 bar pressures.

I also chose this tyre based on a couple of tests where it would beat the Michelins and Continentals as well as the many positive comments on this forum. I should've done some more research earlier as I tried searching for issues what would cause this sloppy, wobbly, excessively yawing feeling on my car. It's the rear axle that feels really unplanted at higher speeds especially if you try the F1 style tyre warming up maneuver by flicking your steering wheel from right to left. The rear of my GTI now has this laggy yawing/swaying effect which I really hate. Also my car and especially the rear is now constantly moving sideways at motorway speeds if there is even the slightest of side wind.
Apparently despite the test results this is how the Assy2 tyre is - all soft and wobbly with no feel as I found out from quite a few other forum users' experiences. I do like the comfort and noise levels but I was primarily buying a performance tyre for my GTI when I chose the Assy2 and I have to say I'm quite disappointed with them. A performance tyre should make your car feel planted and secure. I don't really care if these tyres have more grip than the competitors if they give you this unplanted feel when I'm afraid to even try and take the tyres to their limits. You know what I mean?

I currently have about 300-400 miles on them. I really hope they start to feel better (or me getting used to the lack of feel) once I get some more miles in them.. The funny thing is my car felt absolutely spot on with standard suspension and my previous CSC3 tyres. Now that I spent a whole bunch of euros on my chassis and tyres (Eibach Sportlines, Bilstein B8 shocks, new front control arm bushes, new rear ARB dog bones and new Assy2's) it is actually a lot worse handling-wise. Do love the stance on the Sportlines though. :)

Also wanted to ask which tyres would you recommend for road use but with a more direct steering response and a more planted feel? I found the Conti CSC3 absolutely spot on in terms of balance between sidewall softness (ie. comfort) and steering feel/grip. Of course the Conti's wear awfully quickly. I have yet to try the Michelin PS3's - perhaps they'd offer something between the Conti's and Goodyears? I am really wondering why do people think this tyre (the Assy2) is so good..?

Best regards,
Lauri from Finland

[fab5freddy]

You really need to give them time too scrub in.

All new tyres have a type of resin/wax left on the tyre once it comes out of the mould from the production line

I had similar concerns when i first fitted these, put another few miles on them and imo you will start to notice the grip

HTH 

[56OctyVRS]

I prefer the Michelin PS3 for daily driving as they gave excellent feedback from new. The flighty feeling you are getting could be the rear end is too stiff on the coil overs and bouncing around a bit rather than slightly rolling with the oe style springs and dampers.

[Big Red T]

Popping up an old thread here but I just wanted to share similar experiences with my Eagle F1 Assy 2's..

So I recently got them fitted in 225/40R18 size at the same time with a B12 Sportline suspension on my mk5 GTI. First impression was that all the sharpness was gone from the steering as was the planted feel my GTI used to have (with Conti CSC3). This made me scratch my head for a while - perhaps there was something wrong the fitting and alignment of my new suspension? I took the car back to the garage where they checked everything and also did a realignment for me. None of this helped.. I'll add that I also tried playing with tyre pressures from 2.5 bar all the way to 3.0 bar. The feeling remained essentially the same except for all comfort being gone at 3.0 bar pressures.

I also chose this tyre based on a couple of tests where it would beat the Michelins and Continentals as well as the many positive comments on this forum. I should've done some more research earlier as I tried searching for issues what would cause this sloppy, wobbly, excessively yawing feeling on my car. It's the rear axle that feels really unplanted at higher speeds especially if you try the F1 style tyre warming up maneuver by flicking your steering wheel from right to left. The rear of my GTI now has this laggy yawing/swaying effect which I really hate. Also my car and especially the rear is now constantly moving sideways at motorway speeds if there is even the slightest of side wind.
Apparently despite the test results this is how the Assy2 tyre is - all soft and wobbly with no feel as I found out from quite a few other forum users' experiences. I do like the comfort and noise levels but I was primarily buying a performance tyre for my GTI when I chose the Assy2 and I have to say I'm quite disappointed with them. A performance tyre should make your car feel planted and secure. I don't really care if these tyres have more grip than the competitors if they give you this unplanted feel when I'm afraid to even try and take the tyres to their limits. You know what I mean?

I currently have about 300-400 miles on them. I really hope they start to feel better (or me getting used to the lack of feel) once I get some more miles in them.. The funny thing is my car felt absolutely spot on with standard suspension and my previous CSC3 tyres. Now that I spent a whole bunch of euros on my chassis and tyres (Eibach Sportlines, Bilstein B8 shocks, new front control arm bushes, new rear ARB dog bones and new Assy2's) it is actually a lot worse handling-wise. Do love the stance on the Sportlines though. :)

Also wanted to ask which tyres would you recommend for road use but with a more direct steering response and a more planted feel? I found the Conti CSC3 absolutely spot on in terms of balance between sidewall softness (ie. comfort) and steering feel/grip. Of course the Conti's wear awfully quickly. I have yet to try the Michelin PS3's - perhaps they'd offer something between the Conti's and Goodyears? I am really wondering why do people think this tyre (the Assy2) is so good..?

Best regards,
Lauri from Finland

Dare I say it but I reckon it's the eibach springs making you feel this way. ( flame suit on) I ditched my eibachs because they felt absolutely terrible. I put the standard suspension back in and the handling sharpness returned. My previous edition 30 was exactly the same , it handled superb on standard stuff then equally as good into better on h&r,s and whiteline anti-lift kit.

[Hevoshullu]

Dare I say it but I reckon it's the eibach springs making you feel this way. ( flame suit on) I ditched my eibachs because they felt absolutely terrible. I put the standard suspension back in and the handling sharpness returned. My previous edition 30 was exactly the same , it handled superb on standard stuff then equally as good into better on h&r,s and whiteline anti-lift kit.

This is a good point. But it is weird why would sports springs (that are harder than the standard ones) make the car less sharp? I also thought about this but then again so many people praise the B12 kit with Eibachs while I found quite a few comments about the Goodyears giving an unplanted feel to the car. This reminds me of not doing 2 upgrades at the same time.. I'll add that the new suspension does do this little rocking movement, more so than the standard suspension did, when you come to a halt (the same kind a Lincoln town car would do when it stops, only much less). It's the wrong thread to be asking this but has anyone else experienced anything similar?

[dan930]

I prefer the Michelin PS3 for daily driving as they gave excellent feedback from new. The flighty feeling you are getting could be the rear end is too stiff on the coil overs and bouncing around a bit rather than slightly rolling with the oe style springs and dampers.

+2...Michelin supersports for daily driving..excellent feedback & grip from new 

[Redemption]

Popping up an old thread here but I just wanted to share similar experiences with my Eagle F1 Assy 2's..

So I recently got them fitted in 225/40R18 size at the same time with a B12 Sportline suspension on my mk5 GTI. First impression was that all the sharpness was gone from the steering as was the planted feel my GTI used to have (with Conti CSC3). This made me scratch my head for a while - perhaps there was something wrong the fitting and alignment of my new suspension? I took the car back to the garage where they checked everything and also did a realignment for me. None of this helped.. I'll add that I also tried playing with tyre pressures from 2.5 bar all the way to 3.0 bar. The feeling remained essentially the same except for all comfort being gone at 3.0 bar pressures.

I also chose this tyre based on a couple of tests where it would beat the Michelins and Continentals as well as the many positive comments on this forum. I should've done some more research earlier as I tried searching for issues what would cause this sloppy, wobbly, excessively yawing feeling on my car. It's the rear axle that feels really unplanted at higher speeds especially if you try the F1 style tyre warming up maneuver by flicking your steering wheel from right to left. The rear of my GTI now has this laggy yawing/swaying effect which I really hate. Also my car and especially the rear is now constantly moving sideways at motorway speeds if there is even the slightest of side wind.
Apparently despite the test results this is how the Assy2 tyre is - all soft and wobbly with no feel as I found out from quite a few other forum users' experiences. I do like the comfort and noise levels but I was primarily buying a performance tyre for my GTI when I chose the Assy2 and I have to say I'm quite disappointed with them. A performance tyre should make your car feel planted and secure. I don't really care if these tyres have more grip than the competitors if they give you this unplanted feel when I'm afraid to even try and take the tyres to their limits. You know what I mean?

I currently have about 300-400 miles on them. I really hope they start to feel better (or me getting used to the lack of feel) once I get some more miles in them.. The funny thing is my car felt absolutely spot on with standard suspension and my previous CSC3 tyres. Now that I spent a whole bunch of euros on my chassis and tyres (Eibach Sportlines, Bilstein B8 shocks, new front control arm bushes, new rear ARB dog bones and new Assy2's) it is actually a lot worse handling-wise. Do love the stance on the Sportlines though. :)

Also wanted to ask which tyres would you recommend for road use but with a more direct steering response and a more planted feel? I found the Conti CSC3 absolutely spot on in terms of balance between sidewall softness (ie. comfort) and steering feel/grip. Of course the Conti's wear awfully quickly. I have yet to try the Michelin PS3's - perhaps they'd offer something between the Conti's and Goodyears? I am really wondering why do people think this tyre (the Assy2) is so good..?

Best regards,
Lauri from Finland

Just a thought. Did you fit XL rated tyres? I remember reading a post over at Seatcupra.net describing a similar thing and it turned out the tyres fitted weren't XL rated so had a softer sidewall. I had the GY Assy 2's on my Leon and also have them on my R32 and they're great. Can't really fault them to be honest.

[chris s]

I can associate with the softer feeling to these tyres and then realised I'd not specified the XL versions so that's likely to be the reason

[slider955i]

 i love them

[Hevoshullu]

Just a thought. Did you fit XL rated tyres? I remember reading a post over at Seatcupra.net describing a similar thing and it turned out the tyres fitted weren't XL rated so had a softer sidewall. I had the GY Assy 2's on my Leon and also have them on my R32 and they're great. Can't really fault them to be honest.

Yeah I have the 92Y XL ones fitted. I took my GTI out for a spin through some twisties yesterday and I can report the grip on these tyres more than good enough. Trouble is I don't get any feel through the steering nor the chassis on the initial turn-in or when I really lean on them mid-corner. On the other hand they really do roll smoothly and comfortably compared to my previous tyres. I am currently running at approx 40-41 psi front and 37-38 psi rear pressures (cold tyres).

[th3_f15t]

Just a thought. Did you fit XL rated tyres? I remember reading a post over at Seatcupra.net describing a similar thing and it turned out the tyres fitted weren't XL rated so had a softer sidewall. I had the GY Assy 2's on my Leon and also have them on my R32 and they're great. Can't really fault them to be honest.

Yeah I have the 92Y XL ones fitted. I took my GTI out for a spin through some twisties yesterday and I can report the grip on these tyres more than good enough. Trouble is I don't get any feel through the steering nor the chassis on the initial turn-in or when I really lean on them mid-corner. On the other hand they really do roll smoothly and comfortably compared to my previous tyres. I am currently running at approx 40-41 psi front and 37-38 psi rear pressures (cold tyres).

40 psi?! You know the recomeded is 30 psi. Running around with high psi like that is not only I'll advised, but would probably be the reason you get little feedback through the wheel.

[Hevoshullu]

If anything running at 30 psi will feel like driving a water mattress around. I don't think 30 psi can be the recommended pressure for 225/40R18 tyres, can it? What kind of pressures do you guys run with your Assy2's?

[Big Red T]

36-38 psi cold is recommended for 225/40/18 on an xl tyre for a mk5 gti. I've found they drive horrible if under pressure and over pressure would be worse when hot.