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Re: The Mk7
« Reply #45 on: September 05, 2012, 09:44:54 am »

....Sure, ALL of the latest car versions cost more than they used to - It's all relative. It doesn't make the Golf an upmarket car. Well designed and built, yes. But the Golf is not a brand with high status.


It's most certainly mid-market, and I think GTI and R models are percieved as being upmarket. I do think it has a high status, and that's not because I own one.

Plus, remember what we're seeing are the top spec interiors. Those on entry level cars are bound to look more functional. All-in-all they have no option but to move with the times.


....I absolutely agree that they must move with the times and will consciously do so within the design process, not just in technology but in styling and fashion trends - They want to sell as many cars as they can of course.

Agreed too about the Golf being a mid-market car and, to me, that includes the GTI and R which are simply higher spec variations (and great cars!). Status to me means a value based on social standing and, whether we like it or not, a reflection of the success of the car's owner. You have only to observe which car brands/models live on which types of house's drives. Cars, like houses, are status symbols to most people and a more upmarket brand (and hence higher status) than they currently have is what many (not myself) aspire to. Why do we call the Audi hatchbacks "posh Golfs"? A hatchback is never viewed as having high status socially. At best, in upper-class circles the Golf gets considered as a smart car to have as a second or third car or for the wife or children to run around in.    

The Golf is truly a great car in my opinion but it's a middle-market, not upmarket, car aimed at the middle classes. Originally, in Mr Hitler's day, it was the people's car ("Volks Wagen" in German). What do we think when we see a Golf outside a run-down council house? - That the owner is wanting to state to his/her peer group that he/she is 'better' or more successful than they are. And if we see a Bentley outside a council house? - Someone trying to be someone they are not. An Aston Martin? - Now that's both upmarket and has got high class status and you won't see one outside a council house. The Jaguar is the aspiring middle-class man's version of the Aston.

So, in proximity with the Golf, starting with the higher status brand, it goes Audi (trying to compete with BMW), Golf, followed by Skoda and Seat (fighting with each other).

Btw, having higher status or being upper class, or owning the matching status symbuls, does not make you a better (or worse) human being. I say this particularly because I am a middle-class person who has been privileged to have an upper-class (Public School) education and background. I drive a Golf, not because it has middle-class status, but because it suits my everyday lifestyle.

Sorry! I appear to have got carried away writing! (not unusual).
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Re: The Mk7
« Reply #46 on: September 05, 2012, 09:58:23 am »
I think the mk7 GTI will be more like 30k, or just over with a few options robin. A saw a mk6 GTD for 27k about 4 months ago.

The interior looks nice, I like the flow of the centre console. Much nicer than previous designs.

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Re: The Mk7
« Reply #47 on: September 05, 2012, 10:16:02 am »
Golfs are far too expensive these days. a 1.6 TDI Match with leather and sat nav comes in at £24k. Knowing VW, this will only increase.

The Mk7's interior is a huge, huge step up, that much is undeniable. Compared to the plain-jane, uninspiring MK5 interior, it looks a lot better.

However, externally it is such a mundane-looking thing. I am finding it so hard to be excited by how it looks. I'm sure the GTI and R will look nice, but time will tell. As it is, it's just another bland VW product.
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Re: The Mk7
« Reply #48 on: September 05, 2012, 10:46:28 am »
That car you are all lusting for in red is a Polo GTI!!   :grin:

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Re: The Mk7
« Reply #49 on: September 05, 2012, 10:50:21 am »
I really thought the last thing I would want is a mk7.... but after looking at those pics/spec etc.... Im mildly drawn towards it  :ashamed: However at 30k the M135i still just pips it for me  :innocent:

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Re: The Mk7
« Reply #50 on: September 05, 2012, 11:02:08 am »
I really thought the last thing I would want is a mk7.... but after looking at those pics/spec etc.... Im mildly drawn towards it  :ashamed: However at 30k the M135i still just pips it for me  :innocent:

At 30K I would rather wait for a GTR to come into that price bracket or an RS3  :happy2:
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Re: The Mk7
« Reply #51 on: September 05, 2012, 11:10:27 am »
Why has the MK6 only had a 4 year lifecycle? Very short as the norm is 6-7 years.
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Re: The Mk7
« Reply #52 on: September 05, 2012, 11:12:36 am »
Golfs are far too expensive these days. a 1.6 TDI Match with leather and sat nav comes in at £24k. Knowing VW, this will only increase.

In comparison to what though? All new cars are considerably more expensive than they were 3 - 4 years ago...

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Re: The Mk7
« Reply #53 on: September 05, 2012, 11:13:12 am »
I really thought the last thing I would want is a mk7.... but after looking at those pics/spec etc.... Im mildly drawn towards it  :ashamed: However at 30k the M135i still just pips it for me  :innocent:

At 30K I would rather wait for a GTR to come into that price bracket or an RS3  :happy2:

Fair enough, but rather pointless comparing new and used...

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Re: The Mk7
« Reply #54 on: September 05, 2012, 11:23:35 am »

Golfs are far too expensive these days. a 1.6 TDI Match with leather and sat nav comes in at £24k. Knowing VW, this will only increase.

The Mk7's interior is a huge, huge step up, that much is undeniable. Compared to the plain-jane, uninspiring MK5 interior, it looks a lot better.

However, externally it is such a mundane-looking thing. I am finding it so hard to be excited by how it looks. I'm sure the GTI and R will look nice, but time will tell. As it is, it's just another bland VW product.


....Very much agreed. The GTI and R versions being the only ones which rise above the blandness in my opinion.

Golfs have certainly become more expensive but at least VW are providing more for your money. Trouble is, I personally don't want everything that they are now including. Yes, the Mk5 dashboard is much more plain-jane but I personally prefer that (I can't say the same about my taste in women's looks though). I am in a tiny minority though.

I think we all are looking forward to how the Mk7 GTI might look like and certainly the Mk7 R - But how much dosh is the R going to cost!?


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Re: The Mk7
« Reply #55 on: September 05, 2012, 11:44:48 am »
I really thought the last thing I would want is a mk7.... but after looking at those pics/spec etc.... Im mildly drawn towards it  :ashamed: However at 30k the M135i still just pips it for me  :innocent:

At 30K I would rather wait for a GTR to come into that price bracket or an RS3  :happy2:

Fair enough, but rather pointless comparing new and used...

Agree. Although a GTR isnt really in the same class of car as the golf, not to mention its Jap. I had a Jap car 'once'. Lets just leave it at that.

As for the Rs3.. there is no taking away from it from a performace aspect... but seriously £30k for a car with interior that can be found on cars back in 2004!!! no thanks...  :confused:

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Re: The Mk7
« Reply #56 on: September 05, 2012, 12:38:30 pm »
Found the 3-door on the German volkswagen.de "Konfigurator".
The rear edge of the side window looks like it did on the Mk.I.  :happy2:
Like it much more than the 5-door.
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Re: The Mk7
« Reply #57 on: September 05, 2012, 12:46:08 pm »
Golfs are far too expensive these days. a 1.6 TDI Match with leather and sat nav comes in at £24k. Knowing VW, this will only increase.

In comparison to what though? All new cars are considerably more expensive than they were 3 - 4 years ago...
That was actually a typo, it was meant to say £25k. In comparison to the new A3 (which has a 6spd, not 5spd, a vastly improved interior and generally better built), the A-Class and BMW (both leaps and bounds ahead of the Golf), which all come in at £26k with better spec.

Alfa's Giulietta, which is very well built and better looking inside/out and better specified, comes in £1k cheaper.

The "people's car" is £1k cheaper than the equivalent Mercedes/Audi/BMW? No thank you. Especially when I like leather seats and Sat Nav, and in my experience, VW's leather has been much worse than those of competitors, and the Infotainment systems of the 3 firms mentioned are much better.
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Re: The Mk7
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« Reply #59 on: September 05, 2012, 12:56:46 pm »
....Very much agreed. The GTI and R versions being the only ones which rise above the blandness in my opinion.

Golfs have certainly become more expensive but at least VW are providing more for your money. Trouble is, I personally don't want everything that they are now including. Yes, the Mk5 dashboard is much more plain-jane but I personally prefer that (I can't say the same about my taste in women's looks though). I am in a tiny minority though.

I think we all are looking forward to how the Mk7 GTI might look like and certainly the Mk7 R - But how much dosh is the R going to cost!?
Absolutely; I'm looking forward to seeing the R, but I shudder to think how ridiculously expensive it will be. It's a Golf at the end of the day, and you can spec one up to almost £40k with buckets, sat nav and parking sensors.

I like the Mk6 R a lot, but I would never buy one at that price; you could pick up a BMW 1M for not much more money, or a 135i Coupé and a remap.  
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