Which GTi? Deisel or Petrol?

[Andy]

when i bouught my gt tdi i was doing a lot of miles each day-being a Yorkshire man who don't lke spending :signLOL:i got the diesel plus the gti wasn't realised then--but now i work a mile from home i would get a petrol gti

[mixit]

I stupidly convinced myself that the R was costing too much to run. 
The Blue car lasted me just 7 months, bet you can guess how it was fuelled. 
The red one was a return to sanity  This was all within 20 months. 

[tomoc2003]

Well i have the 170 diesel and i think its a great car its got plenty of go and is mm off a normal gti and defo has the same great chassis!!!

Petrol might be cheaper but if u do the maths to the miles u get out of the derv it still wins!

And personally the only thing missing is the noise 

[Jules86]

You need to do about 20K miles for a diesel to be financially viable. They cost more to buy and diesel is more expensive.


A golf 170bhp from new priced at £23,000 compared to a GTI priced at list of £19,995


Volkswagen Golf Hatchback
2.0 TDi (170bhp) GTD 3d DSG

List price                   £23,160
Fuel consumption   50 mpg
Price per litre           104.5p

Extra cost to buy              Ã‚£3,165
Saving per 1000 miles      Ã‚£15.61
Miles to break even              202,781
Time to break even
at 12,000 miles per year      17 years

[BeezerDiesel]

Where did you get those figures from? The GTI 3 door may have cost 20k back in 2004 but not anymore!

Keep in mind also that the Diesels will often fetch slightly better prices when you sell them on again which will offset some of the costs, but the GTD is actually slightly cheaper than the GTI IIRC. Just have a look at the Leon FR TFSI vs TDI 170 which is directly comparable to the GTI/GTD. The Leon FR TDI sells in massively higher numbers and its resale is much better too.

If buying a mk5 Golf (this is the mk5 forum after all) then I'd say go with the GTI as the GT spec isn't as good even though the performance of the 170 TDI ain't far off the 200PS GTI.
If looking at a mk5.5 then my money would be going on the Diseasel. Probably anyway.

[Jules86]

Thats a comparison of new prices (diesels are always more expensive new)

Here you go

http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/petrol-vs-diesel/

[BeezerDiesel]

Funnily enough I replied to that Parkers report and they moderated it off!!! All I said was that every time I see one of these reports they fail to mention the better re-sale of the Diesel which brings back some of the initial outlay and that I thought better of Parkers being as they are supposedly in the business of used car prices. Ah well 

My personal point of view is that horses for courses and you don't always buy Diesels for their better fuel consumption as very often the turbo Diesels offer the best performance vs economy model of a given range. On a car enthusiasts forum the pendulum is bound to swing towards performance petrols but 99% of the population don't exactly give a monkeys about their car's performance per se, their car is like a white goods product - they want reliability and value for money, in whatever order suits them.

[Jules86]

They lose as much money as the petrol, they just go for a bit more, but the diesel cost more in the first place.

[Gene Hunt]

As much as diesel technology has come on leaps and bounds over the last few years you can't beat revving the nuts out of a petrol engine!

Plus petrol is cheaper and is smoother and quieter! 

...........went to Esso today & it cost me £1.10 a litre for there super unleaded !!!!!!!!!

[Jules86]

Yeah but ESSO = Fail

I use V-Power and can get it for £1.05

Although i work in Kensington which has the highest petrol price in the country - £1.49 

[matt a]

You need to do about 20K miles for a diesel to be financially viable. They cost more to buy and diesel is more expensive.


A golf 170bhp from new priced at £23,000 compared to a GTI priced at list of £19,995


Volkswagen Golf Hatchback
2.0 TDi (170bhp) GTD 3d DSG

List price                   Ã‚£23,160
Fuel consumption   50 mpg
Price per litre           104.5p

Extra cost to buy              £3,165
Saving per 1000 miles      £15.61
Miles to break even              202,781
Time to break even
at 12,000 miles per year      17 years

Forgot to mention tax and insurance, both less for diesel.

I love how some people (not anyone in particular) find it difficult to appreciate the fuels in their own rights, diesel will never offer the same driving experience as a petrol, but it does have a lot to offer.

I like Rock music and Classical, but I don't find it necessary to slag one of whenever there is an opportunity. 

[Jules86]

Diesel is an awful dirty fuel which will be eventually banned. Cant stand them. Try living in london with the amount of diesels going around, makes me feel sick being around built up roads 

[Edition30]

Dont  forget that most people run their cars on 99/98 RON so that is not cheaper than Diesel, round my area anyway.

Still cant beat the sound of the GTI to the derv. It also comes down to how many miles you will be doing in it?

[T88OMM]

As some of you may know I sold my ED30 for an A3 S-Line derv at the start of the year, mainly because the ED30 was costing a lot to run. I was putting roughly £80 in the ED30 every week, when I got the A3 I was expecting to save a lot of money but I didn't, about £10 a week roughly! I know that is £520 every year but it wasn't worth selling the ED30 over. Unless your doing galactic miles, I mean over 600 a week I don't think a diesel saves a great deal of money   

[cmdrfire]

Methanol.