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Offline Dannyboy88

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TDI help please.
« on: January 23, 2013, 02:00:19 pm »
Just wondering if anyone could shine any light on the problem I seem to be having, when I've been out in the car I always let it idle for a minute or so then turn off the engine, but lately I've notice the engine makes abit of a noise when I turn it off, ill try and get a video of this happening and post up the link, I was just wondering if it could be EGR or anti shudder valve related? The car is on 76k and serviced every 10k using genuine parts. Any help would be great.

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Re: TDI help please.
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2013, 02:09:48 pm »
Is it smooth or juddery when you kill the ignition?

I had to change the inlet manifold flap motor (anti shudder) on my tdi last year, it was a bit bumpy on shutdown as the flap was stuck open.

Easy to check, just a few allen bolts and you can manually test it.

Video would be useful if it is different to this :happy2:
Used to have Edition 30 - number 009 and a GT TDI 140.
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Re: TDI help please.
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2013, 03:29:03 pm »
As Skard said, it's not a bad job to remove and clean. At 76k I would say its well due one. Is it a new noise or one you have just started to pay attention to that may have already been there?

When you turn the ignition off the ASV closes to stop anymore air from entering the engine (preventing overrun/run off). When its doing this is make a high pitched electronic whistle and after a few seconds after the engine has stopped it will click which is it opening again.

Here was my ASV after just 20K.


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Re: TDI help please.
« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2013, 04:03:25 pm »
I'd say its one that I've just started paying attention too, i'll get a video when I'm home from work and post it up, thanks again guys much appreciated.

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Re: TDI help please.
« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2013, 04:46:58 pm »
Here's a quick video, I know the alternator tensioner sounds abit noisey but its the noise when I shut off the engine.



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Re: TDI help please.
« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2013, 04:52:34 pm »
I'd say it's the ASV as it's very jerky - if you get a flathead screwdriver and prise off the clip, remove the hose going into it and carry out the same procedure - have a look to see if the valve temporarily closes on ignition kill, if it sticks open or doesn't fully close then you'll know for sure.

If you do need one, I got it from Euro Car Parts using a discount code, it's the same one as the dealer provides but half the price.
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Re: TDI help please.
« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2013, 05:46:04 pm »
I've just taken another video after my drive home so the engine is up to temp as the first video is from cold, but it does seem to make the engine jerk when I shut it off, ill try what you've said about and see what the result is, ill upload the 2nd video now.

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Re: TDI help please.
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2013, 05:57:50 pm »
Here's the second video, what I'm trying to show is that when I shut off the engine the engine jerks and it sounds rough if you know what I mean lol.


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Re: TDI help please.
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2013, 06:29:49 pm »
My opinion is still the same, you might need a small mirror to check the valve function.
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Re: TDI help please.
« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2013, 09:17:17 pm »
I've got a mate who works in a motor factors so can get me a new ASV at cost so he's going to price it me tomorrow, but ill still check if the flap is staying open when I shut the end off.

Skard, is this what your car was doing before you changed your ASV?

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Re: TDI help please.
« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2013, 09:20:08 pm »
There's going to be an element of 'jerkyness' when shutting off any engine but yeh that was similar to mine. Upon inspection my flap was stuck open.

I'd definitely check the operation before ordering a new one.
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Re: TDI help please.
« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2013, 09:27:28 pm »
Ok no problem, thanks for the help, so if the flap isn't fully closing when the engine is turned off it needs replacing? If it isn't the ASV I'm not sure where to start looking.

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Re: TDI help please.
« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2013, 09:56:08 pm »
Common fault:- the gears strip internally and give your fault before failing totally.


found this article below which may help?

Since the ASV is an all or nothing unit (either open or closed), there is really no scenario where the unit should ever remain in a mid position. 

You'll find four wires going to the device. Two for motor power and two to a position sensor. Spring tension will hold the valve normally open. Engine shutdown will apply voltage to activate the ASV motor, the valve shutter will cycle, and a flag will pass the sensor in order to signal to the ECU that the function has taken place... At least that's the way it should be.

If there is voltage to the motor and a ground path, you may expect the motor to cycle. If a high resistance path, then likely a partial cycle until such point as the motor is unable to overcome the homing spring.

Of course the sensor wires could also be a problem. If one or the other was crushed and partially shorted or open, then the ECU would receive spurious information and attempt to cycle the ASV based on false information.

My guess here is the ASV motor. Short of an obvious broken or shorted wire in the harness I expect the new unit will work as advertised.

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Re: TDI help please.
« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2013, 02:01:14 pm »
When your ASV caused problems did it bring any lights on or make any noise or was it just abit jerky when shutting the engine off?

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Re: TDI help please.
« Reply #14 on: January 24, 2013, 02:09:31 pm »
I had no lights appear nor a VCDS fault log.

The problem was smashed cogs.
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