The bigger than the NQSBBK budget option...?

[Beddie]

Yeah that's them. Doesn't make sence at that price

None at all imo, the R32 caliper wouldn't do them justice and at 50% the cost of a full AP 330mm kit it's madness tbh..

As Dave says, cheap and cheerful or expensive and capable is a good way to look at it, if you could bring this SPM kit into the UK for a keen price and it turns out to be decent kit it 'could' work out a reasonable upgrade option for the GTi for less or around the cost of the R32 setup but with a significant weight saving and a better performing disc?

The Yanks are getting their first deliveries next week so interested to hear the feedback tbh  

[DaveB@Vagbremtechnic]

Theres always somebody making something to a budget. I'm far from dismissive about it, lots of people just dont have the budget for Brembo/APs finest, they may only have the budget for (being polite) second tier products only once, what happens when you need to buy twice though.

You can get cheap castings from Eurac which then can get machined easily enough to be any size required, its the heat treatment thereafter that they dont get or the finishing process to make them black that debrittleises them. In fairness you wont notice enroute Asda, but its that 3rd lap at Oulton with your mate in front of you whos spent 1/2 as much and hes pulling away that is the real test for the second tier stuff often it doesnt end well

Mtec are the disc of choice at the moment, they get machined, blackened or plated and then sold. They start life as Mintex castings which are pretty much the most "cost effective" discs you can buy but nobody gives a toss because theyre cheap and black!

I machine castings but keep the feed speed down, coolant running and machine outside faces one day and inside faces the next. Im not under any real form of commercial pressure so can take my time luckily.

Subject to confirmation of a landed delivered price I'd be seriously considering these assemblies, this sort of stuff does need to be at a "tempting" price in my eyes however

[Beddie]

^^ I'd have to agree 100% Dave 

It's the 'middle' ground stuff that seems to draw in with a tempting price but often never delivers in reality, take me for example, I'd love to hang some APs/Brembos on mine and although ive come very close to pulling the trigger I just can't justify the cost versus whether I or the car given its use will do them justice and get my money's worth as it were, my track time is minimal really and not sure Emma needs 4 pots for the Tesco run, but then again... 
So, I find myself contemplating the Forge kit, D2, K sport etc etc but know it won't deliver and most likely won't be as good as the R32 kit and would forever kick myself for not doing it correctly for that few hundred £s extra in the first place...

Hence why I've stuck with the R32 kit for so long as it does exactly what I need at a price point I'm comfortable with, but will admit that if this SPM kit turned out to be any good and could be brought in for say, £475ish then I'd be giving it a whirl with a set of trusty 1144s in the GTi calipers 

[rich83]

 

Theres always somebody making something to a budget. I'm far from dismissive about it, lots of people just dont have the budget for Brembo/APs finest, they may only have the budget for (being polite) second tier products only once, what happens when you need to buy twice though.

You can get cheap castings from Eurac which then can get machined easily enough to be any size required, its the heat treatment thereafter that they dont get or the finishing process to make them black that debrittleises them. In fairness you wont notice enroute Asda, but its that 3rd lap at Oulton with your mate in front of you whos spent 1/2 as much and hes pulling away that is the real test for the second tier stuff often it doesnt end well

Mtec are the disc of choice at the moment, they get machined, blackened or plated and then sold. They start life as Mintex castings which are pretty much the most "cost effective" discs you can buy but nobody gives a toss because theyre cheap and black!

I machine castings but keep the feed speed down, coolant running and machine outside faces one day and inside faces the next. Im not under any real form of commercial pressure so can take my time luckily.

Subject to confirmation of a landed delivered price I'd be seriously considering these assemblies, this sort of stuff does need to be at a "tempting" price in my eyes however

So... MTEC, better than OEM parts?

[DaveB@Vagbremtechnic]

Difficult to say really, I some sometimes get PMs Saying "what about these discs from eBay Dave they're £20 cheaper than OEM but they're black and everybody's revved up on the forums about them."

So if they last 2 years OEM discs are 20p per week more expensive......

There are aftermarket discs out there that surpass OEM quality, the brembo stuff with the -11 part numbers are in essence the same castings that the OEM discs are from but have painted bells and edges to make them look and last a bit better, they also have min wear indicators machined in so in that respect they're OEM++

You have to ask what processes they get / don't get and how it affects their effectiveness when hot.

Some high end AP rotors and the OEM Bentley discs get heat treated in molten salt and then cooled in different ovens until they get the spec they want, they're £400 each.......

That said there's probably only 4 foundrys in the world knocking out these discs, stuff in Mintex boxes tends to be more affordable but may well contain a AP Lockheed Disc which is good stuff. My early years at Brakes international we're spent pissing the warehouse staff off rooting through  Mintex cayenne pad boxes rooting out the ones with Pagid pads in.

So in a round about way what I'm saying is unless its in a red brembo box or a Oem box you just don't know what you're getting. That said in 90% of cases going to Sainsburys it doesn't matter.

If you're off to the ring or doing a track day or drive your stage 2 GTI like a demon all the time then spend some cash on the iron otherwise MTEC stuff will be fine.

One other rule of thumb would be to spend extra on the discs if you've spent extra on the pads

[rich83]

Ok thanks. Brembos it is then!