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Water/meth
« on: March 05, 2014, 07:06:15 am »
Hi guys, who's running water and meth will good results? and who would you recommend for tuning this, I am based in London but don't want to travel too far

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Re: Water/meth
« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2014, 07:31:36 am »
Hurdy is (or at least was) running it on his R.

Only James was running it on his GTI that I know of. Think he's sold it now.

WMI works with Revo maps but to get the best benefit you should get it mapped properly for the WMI. Niki @ R-Tech has got 400+ BHP out of a K04 with WMI (with the right hardware). Not seen any other tuner get close  :happy2:

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Re: Water/meth
« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2014, 10:28:04 am »
I'm running over 500bhp using WMI. The WMI on my car is primarily used to aid cooling and keep the engine clean and so isn't tuned specifically to make more power. On my K04 it made more torque midrange and around 5-10bhp at the top end without specifically tuning for it.

If you tune to get the most power out of WMI then you will need to run it all the time and could have issues when you run out of WM mix.
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Re: Water/meth
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2014, 12:27:49 pm »
I'm running over 500bhp using WMI. The WMI on my car is primarily used to aid cooling and keep the engine clean and so isn't tuned specifically to make more power. On my K04 it made more torque midrange and around 5-10bhp at the top end without specifically tuning for it.

If you tune to get the most power out of WMI then you will need to run it all the time and could have issues when you run out of WM mix.

Over 500bhp??

have you built the engine now?? Update time John. . . . :drool:
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Re: Water/meth
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2014, 12:54:00 pm »
Badger5 bill runs it on his, using the washer bottle.

I've been tempted myself you know.
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Re: Water/meth
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2014, 12:54:07 pm »
Wasn't Geordie running it on his Rocco?

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Re: Water/meth
« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2014, 01:55:37 pm »
I think I would be happy to drive up to Leicester if I was to return with 400bhp, currently got a k04 setup, uprated hpfp, fmic, s3 injectors. Currently enquiring about a k04 hybrid and engine is coming apart next month for head decoke and forged rods and pistons, think 400 bhp will be possible with this? Don't mind running water and meth the whole time

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Re: Water/meth
« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2014, 02:24:06 pm »
If u don't mind running Wmi all the time then def think about going to rtech


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Re: Water/meth
« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2014, 04:01:31 pm »
To get 400bhp you need the same hardware that James had on his GTI.

As Niki would say "it's all about the flow" - that's air in, air out, fuel in. . . There is no limits to the mapping, it's the hardware that holds up the figures  :happy2:

His build thread is a great read start to finish:

http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,43854.0.html

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Re: Water/meth
« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2014, 04:15:29 pm »
I'm running over 500bhp using WMI. The WMI on my car is primarily used to aid cooling and keep the engine clean and so isn't tuned specifically to make more power. On my K04 it made more torque midrange and around 5-10bhp at the top end without specifically tuning for it.

If you tune to get the most power out of WMI then you will need to run it all the time and could have issues when you run out of WM mix.

Over 500bhp??

have you built the engine now?? Update time John. . . . :drool:

Still stock internals!

465whp=511bhp


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Re: Water/meth
« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2014, 04:20:20 pm »
 :congrats: :notworthy:
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Re: Water/meth
« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2014, 04:33:16 pm »
Hurdy.

What turbo you running. Still spools quickly for the power
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Re: Water/meth
« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2014, 04:36:55 pm »
:congrats: :notworthy:

Forged internals come Autumn.....unless it pops before! :scared:

Hurdy.

What turbo you running. Still spools quickly for the power

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Re: Water/meth
« Reply #14 on: March 05, 2014, 10:46:29 pm »
Hi Guys, thought i'd come 'back to the fold' so-to-speak, as haven't been active on this forum for a while!! Ive been spending too much time AND MONEY on my other Golf passion, you know, the one where you are meant to whack a little ball around some muddy fields, lol!!  :fighting:

Anyway, i have a 05 plate GTi (from new) and had WMi installed by Statllers last March, amongst many other costly things!! I have been very pleased with the results thus far! I have also an R Tech Stage 1.5 (Stage 2 to us lot), so Nick did tune to accept the WMi about a week after i had the kit fitted!! I wont kid you, it aint the cheapest mod in the world, but if like me, you like hard acceleration and plenty of torque, yes, this is the dogs b*llox!! The WMi alone only added perhaps another 20 bhp and torques, but as John (Need for Speed) 'Hurdy' pointed out, it's the area under the curve that came out most interesting!! My GTi now (well last April anyway) came away with about 283bhp and 335 lbs of torque, not bad for a pawltry ko3!!  :congrats:
It isn't the most expensive thing to maintain either, in 11 mths, i've gone through about 30-35 litres of methanol and perhaps slightly less in distilled water, (well that at first but then went for demineralised water as quite a bit cheaper!!) I think John actually brews his own distilled, so even cheaper again!! There is a but here, i've noticed that over the past few mths that my WMi tank isn't going down any where nearly as much as it was doing, but i think this is down to a build up of lime-scale in the nozzle, something i am having replaced in a few weeks, then the fun will start again (and water/methanol reserves dwindling)!! Mix that with the WMi 'farts' coming out of my BCS Powervalve exhaust and many heads will turn, believe me!! :party:
Nick at R Tech claims his map against my WMi kit is built in such a way that it will distinguish if no water/methanol is present and just run off the map, and who am i to argue!! Even though i am clearly not having WM sprayed here there and everywhere in large amounts at the moment, Nick's remap is still bringing a smile to my face each and every day, but yes, can't wait to have a new nozzle fitted!!
Basic forumla is mix Statllers with R Tech, in many different possible combinations and you have something to behold and brag about!!  :evilgrin:

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