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Re: Oil
« Reply #30 on: March 15, 2014, 06:17:38 am »
The point is more along the lines of why pay good money for a lesser quality oil, when the same money will get you top quality oil. If castrol was cheaper by degrees then you could make a choice based on price and quality, whereas castrol is priced alongside the true synthetics, so in effect the only variable is the actual quality of the product. If you really wanted to then there are many cheaper alternatives, both fully synthetic and hydrocracked synthetic which meet VW requirements, and also the much cheaper oils which vaguely claim to meet VW standards by using marketing tools such as "Blended to meet the requirements of VW504/507" or "Suitable for use where VW504/507 is required", but which are not certified by VW.

A good analogy is if you have Sainsburys supermarket fuel available (non BS fuel) at 134.9p per litre, and Esso fuel (BS certified fuel) at 134.9p per litre both within a few hundred yards of each other, would you buy the supermarket fuel because you really didn't care, or would you buy Esso because it's a better product for your money? But that's a different argument perhaps, and one which will no doubt have people calling bullsh*t again.
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Re: Oil
« Reply #31 on: March 15, 2014, 07:56:51 am »
Quote from: Viking on March 14, 2014, 05:19:45 pm
If you don't believe me and XJAY1337, maybe you'll believe a well respected forum trader if they tell you the same thing? Link to Opie Oils.

As mentioned, the whole Castrol mislabelling scandal happened in the States. The document from Opie was interesting to read but i think everyone who uses Castrol Edge can breathe easy as the UK has a higher standard for Engine oils and Fuel as well as far stricter advertising laws. In fact, Opie sells Castrol Edge - http://www.opieoils.co.uk/p-713-castrol-edge-5w-30-fst-fully-synthetic-engine-oil.aspx. How many times do you see the words "fully Synthetic" in the product information? I'm 100% confident that a reputable dealer like Opie wouldn't use any wording that was misleading - especially given the document they wrote!.

For those who use Castrol Edge 5w30 - no need to worry!!

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Re: Oil
« Reply #32 on: March 15, 2014, 08:15:23 am »
There are none so blind as those who will not see.   :rolleye:

The court case was in the States, yes. But the issue is with castrols oils, not castrol oils in the States. Does anyone believe that castrol make a special low budget oil just so they can sell it in the states (and Germany...), when they could minimise their production costs and make one oil for all markets like every other company.

Castrol market their oil as fully synthetic, and Opie Oils simply provide the customer with their marketing information, because in the UK it's entirely legal to market their inferior oil as fully synthetic. However, it is not legal in Germany which is why they omit the "fully synthetic" branding over there. Now why would they go to all that trouble making a low quality oil and different packaging just for the German market where the law is different? Answer? They don't. It's the same oil but without the misleading marketing info.

Now I'm not saying castrol is bad. Just that if you're buying a quality brand and expect it to be a quality brand, just be aware that what you're buying might not be exactly what you think it is. Personally, I dislike the smoke and mirrors approach to marketing used in this instance, and castrol goes nowhere near my engine simply because of that. Oil quality is not the issue for me.
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Re: Oil
« Reply #33 on: March 15, 2014, 08:28:28 am »
Im not going to comment any further as i will admit i am at the limits of my oil knowledge! However, it would be good to hear the views from Opie Oils on this?
<Edit> Just did a quick check on Mobil 1 ESP 5w30 on the German sites. The Mobil 1 doesn't have term "Fully Synthetic" either.

Viking - To bring this thread back on track (and for the benefit of the OP), what oil do you recommend?

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Re: Oil
« Reply #34 on: March 15, 2014, 08:37:52 am »
Personally I use Gulf Formula GVX because the firm I work for sell it in bulk drums of 20ltrs. They also supply some other internet sales outlets with Gulf oil, and also Shell products as well. If I were to buy oil at the retail outlet I would buy Mobil 1 ESP, but not because I'm a fanboy.
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Re: Oil
« Reply #35 on: March 15, 2014, 09:05:15 am »
What's weird is, If you go on the Castrol site to find the oil for your car, insert your reg plate and see what it says on the bottle?

It says "Fully Synthetic"

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http://www.castrol.com/castrol/sectionbodycopy.do?categoryId=9024084&contentId=7073092

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Re: Oil
« Reply #36 on: March 15, 2014, 09:06:57 am »
Quote from: monte on March 15, 2014, 09:05:15 am
What's weird is, If you go on the Castrol site to find the oil for your car, insert your reg plate and see what it says on the bottle?

It says "Fully Synthetic"

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http://www.castrol.com/castrol/sectionbodycopy.do?categoryId=9024084&contentId=7073092



Because they won a court case which says they're allowed to do just that.  I wouldn't expect anything else from them after they'd gone to all that trouble and financial effort to be able to say it.

If you go to castrol.de and do the same thing (with a german numberplate) then you get a version of castrol edge which isn't fully synthetic. Link.
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Re: Oil
« Reply #37 on: March 15, 2014, 09:26:48 am »
Quote from: Viking on March 15, 2014, 09:06:57 am
Quote from: monte on March 15, 2014, 09:05:15 am
What's weird is, If you go on the Castrol site to find the oil for your car, insert your reg plate and see what it says on the bottle?

It says "Fully Synthetic"

 :confused:


http://www.castrol.com/castrol/sectionbodycopy.do?categoryId=9024084&contentId=7073092



Because they won a court case which says they're allowed to do just that.  I wouldn't expect anything else from them after they'd gone to all that trouble and financial effort to be able to say it.

If you go to castrol.de and do the same thing (with a german numberplate) then you get a version of castrol edge which isn't fully synthetic. Link.

Same also with Mobil 1 ESP 5w30: select the Mk5 GTI http://www.mobiloil.de/Germany-German-LCW/carengineoils_which-oil.aspx

Not fully Synthetic either http://www.mobil1.de/produkte/esp-formula-5w-30.aspx

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Re: Oil
« Reply #38 on: March 15, 2014, 09:32:47 am »
"Mobil 1 ESP Formula 5W-30 ™ Mobil SHC synthetic ™ technology "

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Re: Oil
« Reply #39 on: March 15, 2014, 10:07:06 am »
Quote from: Viking on March 15, 2014, 09:32:47 am
"Mobil 1 ESP Formula 5W-30 ™ Mobil SHC synthetic ™ technology "

This is very interesting. on the UK site, there is not a mention of Mobil SHC Synthetic technology at all:
http://www.mobil1.co.uk/synthetic-engine-oils/esp-formula-5w-30.aspx?tabs=product+description#tabs

"Fully Synthetic" is clearly marked on the bottle (in the UK):
http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_256991_langId_-1_categoryId_165581#tab1

on the German sites, the "Fully Synthetic" is replaced by "SHC Synthese Technology" (as mentioned by Viking)
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Mobil-1-ESP-FORMULA-5W-30-5-Liter-Longlife-3-Audi-Seat-Skoda-VW-50400-50700-/390681374463?pt=DE_Autoteile&hash=item5af66caeff

The description from the Mobil.de site says (using google translate): "Mobil 1 ESP Formula 5W-30 is a high performance engine oil based on innovative Mobil SHC synthetic technology and was developed specifically to support the efficacy of maintenance-free diesel particulate filters, and gasoline catalysts. Through its advanced additive technology, it provides exceptional engine cleanliness and optimum wear protection even under extreme loads, and with extended oil change intervals The excellent smooth running characteristics ensure lower fuel consumption, reduced pollutant emissions and thereby help to protect the environment."

That personally does not say "Fully Synthetic" to me. Im not claiming it isnt Fully Synthetic, just that the wording is very different than the what's on the UK site.

Mobile (UK) Mobil 1™ ESP Formula 5W-30

Advanced Full Synthetic Engine Oil

Mobil 1™ ESP Formula 5W-30 is an advanced performance synthetic engine oil designed to help provide exceptional cleaning power, wear protection and overall performance. Mobil 1 ESP Formula 5W-30 has been expertly engineered to help prolong the life and maintain the efficiency of emission systems in both diesel and gasoline powered automobiles.

Perhaps they just dont like the term "Fully Synthetic" in Germany??

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Re: Oil
« Reply #40 on: March 15, 2014, 10:29:05 am »
If VW says castrol meets the spec then there can't be nothing wrong with it or else VW wouldn't endorse it. Saying that my local VW dealer use Shell oil.

Either way I use the millers nanodrive and it does run better than it did on the shell/Castrol prior
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Re: Oil
« Reply #41 on: March 15, 2014, 02:38:14 pm »
Anyone see the 5th gear program on oil changes in a Mk4 R32, not sure they could really tell the 0-60 time was faster with fresh oil.
Put shell in mine as the dealers use it.....
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Re: Oil
« Reply #42 on: March 15, 2014, 06:11:56 pm »
On the last VW sheet from previous owner shell ultra vx 5w30 was used and been far from impressed, iv had to top up with about 3 litres of oil. But nothing seems wrong with the running off the car so must be the oil
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Re: Oil
« Reply #43 on: March 15, 2014, 07:02:31 pm »
Mine was running shell from VW before switching to millers from AKS and mine didn't drink any between services. Some GTI's drink oil and some don't
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Re: Oil
« Reply #44 on: March 15, 2014, 08:08:14 pm »
If it meets VW's specs who gives a dam -castrol edge 5w-30 will be good enough for day to day driving + a bit of spirited fast road driving, it's only worth changing upto a higher quality ester synthetic 5w-40 oil for raised oil temperatures i.e track days, drag racing and if you drive your car like it's stolen daily  :grin:
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