How bad are these discs?

[garrardrj]

not being funny mate, but by looking at them pictures the vw specialist also forgot to service the brakes too, them pads don't look like they've been out. can't see any copper grease anywhere. maybe negotiate on you getting it all done properly yourself.

Who services brakes?? 

Pads usually don't come out until they need replacing.

ya what?  every proper mechanic and garage service brakes, it stops pads seizing in the carriers and it also stops build up on the brake discs by filing the edges flat whilst there apart,  also by doing it makes a big difference to the feel of the brake pedal once done, those who don't, usually end up replacing the discs well before they're worn out from bad maintanance due to them having a build up of corrosion on the inner and outer edges and also on the inner side center of the disc.
the only people who don't do it i find are the likes of the main dealers, they conduct this check and report from a visual check whilst looking through the wheel, this isn't always a acurate diagnosis as they can't inspect the inner brake pads. as for this long life servicing, i hate the thought of my car not getting serviced for 20,000 miles. i stick to the old fashioned 6,000 miles if it's lucky.

What Rubbish 

[DDM]

not being funny mate, but by looking at them pictures the vw specialist also forgot to service the brakes too, them pads don't look like they've been out. can't see any copper grease anywhere. maybe negotiate on you getting it all done properly yourself.

Who services brakes?? 

Pads usually don't come out until they need replacing.

ya what?  every proper mechanic and garage service brakes, it stops pads seizing in the carriers and it also stops build up on the brake discs by filing the edges flat whilst there apart,  also by doing it makes a big difference to the feel of the brake pedal once done, those who don't, usually end up replacing the discs well before they're worn out from bad maintanance due to them having a build up of corrosion on the inner and outer edges and also on the inner side center of the disc.
the only people who don't do it i find are the likes of the main dealers, they conduct this check and report from a visual check whilst looking through the wheel, this isn't always a acurate diagnosis as they can't inspect the inner brake pads. as for this long life servicing, i hate the thought of my car not getting serviced for 20,000 miles. i stick to the old fashioned 6,000 miles if it's lucky.

What Rubbish 

25 years being a mechanic and 8 years owning my own garage says I'm right.
But if you think it's rubbish please prove it, don't just reply with a useless comment without any sort of evidence to show what I wrote was rubbish. 

[betty_swollox]

not being funny mate, but by looking at them pictures the vw specialist also forgot to service the brakes too, them pads don't look like they've been out. can't see any copper grease anywhere. maybe negotiate on you getting it all done properly yourself.

Who services brakes?? 

Pads usually don't come out until they need replacing.

ya what?  every proper mechanic and garage service brakes, it stops pads seizing in the carriers and it also stops build up on the brake discs by filing the edges flat whilst there apart,  also by doing it makes a big difference to the feel of the brake pedal once done, those who don't, usually end up replacing the discs well before they're worn out from bad maintanance due to them having a build up of corrosion on the inner and outer edges and also on the inner side center of the disc.
the only people who don't do it i find are the likes of the main dealers, they conduct this check and report from a visual check whilst looking through the wheel, this isn't always a acurate diagnosis as they can't inspect the inner brake pads. as for this long life servicing, i hate the thought of my car not getting serviced for 20,000 miles. i stick to the old fashioned 6,000 miles if it's lucky.

What Rubbish 

25 years being a mechanic and 8 years owning my own garage says I'm right.
But if you think it's rubbish please prove it, don't just reply with a useless comment without any sort of evidence to show what I wrote was rubbish. 

 

[mvb12]

not being funny mate, but by looking at them pictures the vw specialist also forgot to service the brakes too, them pads don't look like they've been out. can't see any copper grease anywhere. maybe negotiate on you getting it all done properly yourself.

Who services brakes?? 

Pads usually don't come out until they need replacing.

ya what?  every proper mechanic and garage service brakes, it stops pads seizing in the carriers and it also stops build up on the brake discs by filing the edges flat whilst there apart,  also by doing it makes a big difference to the feel of the brake pedal once done, those who don't, usually end up replacing the discs well before they're worn out from bad maintanance due to them having a build up of corrosion on the inner and outer edges and also on the inner side center of the disc.
the only people who don't do it i find are the likes of the main dealers, they conduct this check and report from a visual check whilst looking through the wheel, this isn't always a acurate diagnosis as they can't inspect the inner brake pads. as for this long life servicing, i hate the thought of my car not getting serviced for 20,000 miles. i stick to the old fashioned 6,000 miles if it's lucky.

What Rubbish 

25 years being a mechanic and 8 years owning my own garage says I'm right.
But if you think it's rubbish please prove it, don't just reply with a useless comment without any sort of evidence to show what I wrote was rubbish. 

where is your garage?

[GrayMK5GTI]

I've never seen a garage take your brakes apart in a standard service, maybe they are all penny pinching and doing the bare minimum these days??

[Andy]

not being funny mate, but by looking at them pictures the vw specialist also forgot to service the brakes too, them pads don't look like they've been out. can't see any copper grease anywhere. maybe negotiate on you getting it all done properly yourself.

as quoted -when we do a service we strip the brakes down and do them properly but we are old skool ..Some dealers now charge extra to do this

Who services brakes?? 

Pads usually don't come out until they need replacing.

ya what?  every proper mechanic and garage service brakes, it stops pads seizing in the carriers and it also stops build up on the brake discs by filing the edges flat whilst there apart,  also by doing it makes a big difference to the feel of the brake pedal once done, those who don't, usually end up replacing the discs well before they're worn out from bad maintanance due to them having a build up of corrosion on the inner and outer edges and also on the inner side center of the disc.
the only people who don't do it i find are the likes of the main dealers, they conduct this check and report from a visual check whilst looking through the wheel, this isn't always a acurate diagnosis as they can't inspect the inner brake pads. as for this long life servicing, i hate the thought of my car not getting serviced for 20,000 miles. i stick to the old fashioned 6,000 miles if it's lucky.

[garrardrj]

not being funny mate, but by looking at them pictures the vw specialist also forgot to service the brakes too, them pads don't look like they've been out. can't see any copper grease anywhere. maybe negotiate on you getting it all done properly yourself.

Who services brakes?? 

Pads usually don't come out until they need replacing.

ya what?  every proper mechanic and garage service brakes, it stops pads seizing in the carriers and it also stops build up on the brake discs by filing the edges flat whilst there apart,  also by doing it makes a big difference to the feel of the brake pedal once done, those who don't, usually end up replacing the discs well before they're worn out from bad maintanance due to them having a build up of corrosion on the inner and outer edges and also on the inner side center of the disc.
the only people who don't do it i find are the likes of the main dealers, they conduct this check and report from a visual check whilst looking through the wheel, this isn't always a acurate diagnosis as they can't inspect the inner brake pads. as for this long life servicing, i hate the thought of my car not getting serviced for 20,000 miles. i stick to the old fashioned 6,000 miles if it's lucky.

What Rubbish 

25 years being a mechanic and 8 years owning my own garage says I'm right.
But if you think it's rubbish please prove it, don't just reply with a useless comment without any sort of evidence to show what I wrote was rubbish. 

How on earth would i prove it ? Having been involved in the motoring world for 34 years i believe i have some knowledge on the subject too .

We differ in opinion and you are entitled to yours

If the process you describe was part of servicing a modern car do you not think it would be mentioned somewhere in the instruction of new Mechanics ? Is it taught at any College or contained in any service manual that you know of ? Is it ? No , i think is the answer . If it would add time to a service schedule and Main Dealers would definitely do it as it would add another £100 labour to their bill , etc etc

Old cars may need the brakes looked at due to peace of mind but not as a service job

Why would there be signs of copper grease on the wheels ? Surely someone using copper grease would clean up the mess ?

You would only remove brake pads if you were changing them 

[DDM]

Part of my city and guilds mechanics course was of course about brakes, if all people did was just remove brake pads and replace them with new, you'd eventually end up with a build up of rust and corrosion on the caliper carrier that holds the brake pads in place and eventually the caliper sliders seizing, this then would not let the brake pad move freely in the carrier, resulting in a siezed or sticking brake that worse come to worse could boil the brake fluid and result in loss of the brake pedal, I've seen it many times. This is what I call brake servicing, where on every car I service the first job is to remove the wheels and strip the brakes, to see if anything needs replacing, if not the pads are all wire brushed down, uneven edges on the pad filed down, corrosion on the brake discs chipped and filed off, then the caliper carrier thoroughly cleaned to ensure the pads can move freely, a little copper grease applied to the top and bottom of the pads and grease and on the caliper sliders, then put back together. wire brushing the end of the hub to ensure the wheel doesn't become stuck on the hub and again a small amount of copper grease, and spray the brake pipe unions with waxoyl.
 I can agree not all garages do this , like I said good mechanics and garages I know of do, it's called a proper service, none of this check and report bull. For those who call getting a oil and filter change a service, it's not, it's a lubricant change. Just the other day there was a thread stating a fellow member had a sticking brake, it's all due to lack of real proper servicing. Oh and just for good measure you'll clearly see I mention nothing about copper grease on any wheels. I was referring to not seeing any copper grease on the brake pads.

[garrardrj]

Would you really do that what you describe every time a car came into you for service ?

If it is i would suggest you post your details on here as many of us would love a service like that 

Every time i get a new car i take it to bits and go over it with a fine tooth comb . The amount of time you find that the bolts on the wheels are too tight and no lubricant/grease on them is virtually guaranteed , same with the face of wheel onto the hub , also corroded and un lubricated . The issue with brakes can generally be overcome with a steam clean and a spray lubricant/grease without dismantling . Perhaps a regular off roaded LR or similar might have a drastic corrosion to cause brake issues - yes . After my initial exam and grease etc i wouldn't do it again , i never have a car more than 4 years .

You must have been under the guidance of an older mechanic to be like you are ? If only the £100 labour rates we pay nowadays actually meant a decent job being done , not many good people about nowadays

[Viking]

Every time i get a new car i take it to bits and go over it with a fine tooth comb . The amount of time you find that the bolts on the wheels are too tight and no lubricant/grease on them is virtually guaranteed , same with the face of wheel onto the hub , also corroded and un lubricated . The issue with brakes can generally be overcome with a steam clean and a spray lubricant/grease without dismantling . Perhaps a regular off roaded LR or similar might have a drastic corrosion to cause brake issues - yes . After my initial exam and grease etc i wouldn't do it again , i never have a car more than 4 years .

Do you really mean that you use grease on wheel studs/nuts? 

[Andy]

DDM was taught by a old mechanic and that was me  :signLOL:We at work strip the brakes down on a service-Know lot of dealerships that don't do this or charge extra to do the brakes

[betty_swollox]

Would you really do that what you describe every time a car came into you for service ?

If it is i would suggest you post your details on here as many of us would love a service like that 

Every time i get a new car i take it to bits and go over it with a fine tooth comb . The amount of time you find that the bolts on the wheels are too tight and no lubricant/grease on them is virtually guaranteed , same with the face of wheel onto the hub , also corroded and un lubricated . The issue with brakes can generally be overcome with a steam clean and a spray lubricant/grease without dismantling . Perhaps a regular off roaded LR or similar might have a drastic corrosion to cause brake issues - yes . After my initial exam and grease etc i wouldn't do it again , i never have a car more than 4 years .

You must have been under the guidance of an older mechanic to be like you are ? If only the £100 labour rates we pay nowadays actually meant a decent job being done , not many good people about nowadays

Is that an apology  ???

[DDM]

DDM was taught by a old mechanic and that was me  :signLOL:We at work strip the brakes down on a service-Know lot of dealerships that don't do this or charge extra to do the brakes

I was indeed bud, sadly enough i can remenber it well, if only they were as easy to work on as they use to be lol.

[DDM]

Would you really do that what you describe every time a car came into you for service ?

If it is i would suggest you post your details on here as many of us would love a service like that 

Every time i get a new car i take it to bits and go over it with a fine tooth comb . The amount of time you find that the bolts on the wheels are too tight and no lubricant/grease on them is virtually guaranteed , same with the face of wheel onto the hub , also corroded and un lubricated . The issue with brakes can generally be overcome with a steam clean and a spray lubricant/grease without dismantling . Perhaps a regular off roaded LR or similar might have a drastic corrosion to cause brake issues - yes . After my initial exam and grease etc i wouldn't do it again , i never have a car more than 4 years .

You must have been under the guidance of an older mechanic to be like you are ? If only the £100 labour rates we pay nowadays actually meant a decent job being done , not many good people about nowadays

yes mate i do it everytime, i am very old skool by the way i was taught to do things, and to be honest i've had no complaints so far, i like my customers to know that when they get their car back it's good for at least another 6k miles, it just wouldn't be right if they were to come back a month later for brakes after i'd supposingly serviced it. people with no mechanical background wouldn't except that imo.
on the plus side if anyone would like any work carried out please feel free to ask. 

[Andy]

Would you really do that what you describe every time a car came into you for service ?

If it is i would suggest you post your details on here as many of us would love a service like that 

Every time i get a new car i take it to bits and go over it with a fine tooth comb . The amount of time you find that the bolts on the wheels are too tight and no lubricant/grease on them is virtually guaranteed , same with the face of wheel onto the hub , also corroded and un lubricated . The issue with brakes can generally be overcome with a steam clean and a spray lubricant/grease without dismantling . Perhaps a regular off roaded LR or similar might have a drastic corrosion to cause brake issues - yes . After my initial exam and grease etc i wouldn't do it again , i never have a car more than 4 years .

You must have been under the guidance of an older mechanic to be like you are ? If only the £100 labour rates we pay nowadays actually meant a decent job being done , not many good people about nowadays

yes mate i do it everytime, i am very old skool by the way i was taught to do things, and to be honest i've had no complaints so far, i like my customers to know that when they get their car back it's good for at least another 6k miles, it just wouldn't be right if they were to come back a month later for brakes after i'd supposingly serviced it. people with no mechanical background wouldn't except that imo.
on the plus side if anyone would like any work carried out please feel free to ask. 

will you do mine as i don't have time with having 5 kids